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Pat: I feel that a good citizen, whether it be citizen of the country or a citizen of the ... of a town, is where they live, it's people who use the facilities that are provided for them. If these facilities are used, such as sport centres, and parks, libraries then these areas will develop and, therefore, more people would get the benefit from them. It's when people start to use things privately that we start then to get little pockets of growth that isn't even to all of them.
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Stephen: So there's a ... the ... for example, Local Councils provide a lot of public spaces.
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Pat: Yes.
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Stephen: ...a lot of social areas like parks as you've said, and leisure centres. But you feel that perhaps not enough different types of people use these different kinds of public spaces and, that if they did, people would perhaps integrate a little bit better?
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Pat: Hmm, especially ... another one is the use of public transport. I do feel that people should try and use public transport more and those that don't use it, if they did use it, would find that it is not as unreliable as is made out sometimes by the media.
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Stephen: Okay.
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Pat: And it's also by ... and this is the way you meet people. And it's quite ... it's a reasonable relaxed way of travelling rather than being sat in a car on your own and irate.
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Stephen: Okay, so, again, the idea of being in a public area can help to build and bond different groups of people.
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Pat: Yes.
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Stephen: ...people can become more concerned.
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Pat: Yes.
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Stephen: ...for each other, for their neighbours?
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Pat: Yes.